• Fake Pope Quote Posts

    One of the more bizarre developments in social media has been the rise in fake quotes from popes appearing online.

    One might think that Roman Catholics would be particularly at the forefront of this kind of activity, but that’s not necessarily the case. Anglicans seem to love a good fake pope quote. I’ve seen them posted by an incredible number of people including several senior clerics.

    I am bewildered as to why people post things and in doing so say something like “Isn’t it amazing that we’ve got a pope who said…?” and don’t pause for a moment to ask whether it might be the case that someone has just made it up. Incredulity might well be a pathway to common sense.

    The sad thing is that there’s plenty of profound things that popes do say that are worth repeating. It seems a terrible shame that Pope Francis might be remembered not for his genius in addressing the Climate Crisis in Laudato Si’ but for a series of invented platitudes about hospital walls.

    Particularly puzzling are those, and again, I have senior clerics in my mind, who post these things and then when told that they are not by the pope in question respond by saying that they are going to leave the post up on social media because it sounds like something the pope might have said or that they agree with the sentiments anyway.

    I can’t think of a clearer example of bearing false witness than leaving something published that you have claimed to be written by someone when you know that in fact it was not.

    But anyway, I have a more entertaining response to this from today than just outraged spluttering on other people’s facebook posts, which is to suggest to anyone desperate for a fake pope quote to post online that they ask ChatGPT to come up with a new one rather than recycling someone else’s.

    Here’s how it goes. You open up ChatGPT and you give it this kind of prompt:

    write a fake quote from Pope Leo XIV that is about 450 words long. Make it sound vaguely plausible but the message is the everyone is welcome in the church, even those who think they are not. Use the kind of language of the self-help and empowerment movement to suggest that the pope wants to change the church and that he alone has a vision to do this.

    And bless it, ChatGPT churns it out beautifully.

    There are many who believe the Church is not for them. They whisper to themselves, ‘Surely not me—not with my past, not with my doubts, not with my wounds.’ But I say to you today: the doors of the Church are not narrow—they are wide. They are not guarded by perfection—they are held open by grace.
    We must move beyond the old habit of exclusion cloaked in the language of tradition. We must stop drawing lines where Christ drew none. The Church is not a sanctuary for the flawless; it is a refuge for the broken, the confused, the seekers, the scarred. If you feel lost, unsure, uncertain of your worth—you are precisely who Christ called. You belong here.
    This is not a time for silence or shadows. It is a time for awakening. Too long have we accepted a Church that feels distant, judgmental, fearful of difference. But the Gospel was never about fear. It was always about radical welcome. About the love that does not check credentials at the door.
    I envision a Church reborn—not in doctrine, but in posture. A Church that speaks less about rules and more about renewal. A Church where questions are not threats but invitations. A Church where you do not have to hide who you are to be loved as you are.
    This vision is not shared by all. Some will say it is too soft, too open, too modern. But I say it is simply faithful—to the Jesus who touched the unclean, who ate with sinners, who forgave before they asked, and who never once said, ‘Come to me, but only if you’ve already cleaned yourself up.’
    I do not seek to dismantle the Church—I seek to return it to its heart. That heart is mercy. That heart is hospitality. That heart is Christ.
    If you are gay, divorced, disillusioned, poor, angry, unsure if you even believe anymore—come. If you have been hurt by the Church, forgotten by the Church, judged by the Church—come. If you are full of joy or full of rage—come.
    You will not find a perfect community. But you will find a people trying—trying to be more like Christ, one small, stumbling step at a time. That is all any of us can do.
    The future of the Church is not behind us in stone and ritual. It is ahead of us—in compassion, in courage, and in the willingness to welcome those who thought there was no place left for them. I have seen this future. And I believe it begins now.”
     
    Isn’t that genius? “Not a time for silence or shadows” – completely meaningless and yet exactly the kind of thing that people love posting. I just love “The future of the Church is not behind us in stone and ritual…”. No pope would ever say that. Priests do tend to like a bit of ritual after all and if any pope got near saying that then I’m sure that they could count on those that surround them to prevent them making a fool of themselves and alienating all their clergy.
     
    “I envision a Church reborn—not in doctrine, but in posture.” Can you imagine anyone other than perhaps a C of E bishop commenting on the latest draft of Prayers of Love and Faith ever saying anything so absurd? Yet I’ve seen plenty of even sillier fake pope quotes purporting to be the real deal.
     
    People do love this kind of thing. And that’s exactly the kind of post that I’ve seen posted and liked and reposted dozens of times in the last few weeks.
     
    Might I suggest that we put a stop to it? For as the medieval pope Kelvinius the First said in 1524…
     
    Let not thine idle hands inscribe falsehoods in the name of the Holy See, for to speak a lie in the voice of Peter is to forge chains for thine own soul. Be on guard for the truth. For the truth shall set you ChatGPTFree.
     
     
    Picture of a Swiss Guard on guard.

15 responses to “Some Bisexuals are Christian (and there’s lots of them)”

  1. Rosemary Hannah Avatar
    Rosemary Hannah

    I never realised I was bi until I fell in love with a woman. I think the essential point I would like to make is that I am not in a relationship with a woman because I fancied making love to a woman from a desire for novelty, nor, especially, because I wanted to make love to a, to some woman. I fell in love with a single, available woman, and a woman who was free to love me, and did love me. One very particular person. And because we love each other, we make love to each other. That, I think, is what some conservatives miss.

  2. Chris Mayo Avatar
    Chris Mayo

    One of the clearest and best reflections on bisexuality and sexual fluidity. A beautiful offering that will speak to the hearts of many. Thank you Kelvin.

  3. Antonio Avatar
    Antonio

    In order for one to have a solid “Christian” argument it must be historically accurate, theological sound, and Spirit-filled. You provided none of these. You did not quote one Scripture, one theologian, or even state that the information that you received was directly from G-d through personal devotion such as prayer.

    What you said was very well written, and reflects growing trends in modern society, but that was all. In order to convince more people you should at least quote St. Augustine or Thomas Aquinas and provide evidence that can be found in the Hebrew Bible, as well as the Greek New Testament.

    Your argument was neither Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, nor Protestant.

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      Bless you for your comment, Antonio. I’m struggling though to think how I could have explained more clearly that I don’t think the bible to be a complete and adequate explanation of modern day human sexuality. For the same reasons, interesting though they are, I don’t think that Augustine nor Aquinas explain it all either.

      And of course, I am neither Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic nor Protestant.

    2. JCF Avatar
      JCF

      Can we please-please-PLEASE come to the realization that when a (self-identified) Christian states something, we can just ASSUME that this Christian has been formed in a way that is, FOR THEM, “historically accurate, theological sound, and Spirit-filled”, and go on from there? That not every self-disclosure requires a point-by-point unpacking of First Principles?

  4. Rosemary Hannah Avatar
    Rosemary Hannah

    If I was inclined to be very naughty I might inquire how Antionio can possibly establish the need for a Christian argument to meet his criteria without his calling on the criteria and creating a perfect circle.

    1. Martin W. Avatar
      Martin W.

      It isn’t ‘a perfect circle’. What he said is perfectly clear. The Apostolic Christian faith is based on the teaching of the Apostles, not our perceptions. That faith is found in the New Testament. Kevin, despite his protests(!), is very much a protestant of the modern liberal kind.

  5. Pam Avatar
    Pam

    You’re not Protestant Kelvin?

    Thanks for your thoughts on this subject.

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      No, I’m not Protestant.

      1. Pam Avatar
        Pam

        I’m not sure what I am (faith-wise). It’s a great feeling.

  6. Alan McManus Avatar

    I’m Roman Catholic, I attend St Mary’s and those RC parish churches where I feel welcome (that’s one, in the whole of Scotland, at the moment) I have had relationships with men and with women, I dislike labels but admit they have their uses (I don’t know one bisexual person who doesn’t feel the same) I often am taken for gay and sometimes for strait and I usually don’t bother correcting people. I agree with every word Kelvin has said above and if anyone wants scriptural and other related references they can follow the link I’ve posted.

  7. Alan McManus Avatar

    I mean by clicking on my name. Kelvin can you add a “share this post” button, with options for Facebook, Twitter etc.?

  8. etseq Avatar
    etseq

    The starting premise of this sermon is wrong and poisons everything that follows. Despite the ecstatic headlines promoting the results of two flawed “yougov” surveys, all of the larger, reputable, quantitative polling find the relative percentages of sexual orientation/identity, sexual relations between members of the same sex, and same sex sexual attraction remarkably stable over the last several decades. Yougov is really more of a marketing company than a professional polling firm – the only scientifically legitimate survey work in the UK is done by the government and some universities. So in the US it would be less Pew and more Zogby, with virtually no quality control over the design of the questions and reliance on cheap internet surveys with low response rates and little attempt at a representative sample.
    This particular “survey” doesn’t pass the laugh test, especially the meaningless claim that half of UK youth are “non-heterosexual” (no legit sexuality study would ever be so heterocentric as to lump such a broad range of identities into one binary description) was based on a really bad screening question that prompted for a kinsey number (which is meaningless to most people and leads to guessing). Since the Kinsey scale is range it is similar to other likert scales, which prime respondents to to skew responses towards a median, you can’t reliably use it as a proxy for orientation categories. Even then, the only shift was in the 0-1 kinsey range, which is just as likely a statistical blip than any useful shift in self-identified orientation, desire or behavior.
    Hate to be debbie downer but the gold standard in population surveys in the UK is the British Social Attitudes Survey and like the GSS in the US, the percentages for sexual orientation, same sex behavior and same sex desire have all remained fairly stable over the 30 or so years – 2-4%/6-8%/8-12% for each category, with some slight variations.

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      What sermon?

  9. Kathleen Jowitt Avatar

    First of all, thank you for this post, and apologies for the lateness of this comment. A lot of what you’ve written here resonates – I’m a bisexual Christian, a woman who has been married to a man for the last six years, but who knows that a future partner could be of any gender. For me, being out about my bisexuality is a simple acknowledgement of fact, a matter of integrity and honesty – I look straight, but I’m not, and, while other people’s assumptions about me are their business, it doesn’t hurt to remind them that there are more people in church than ‘gay’ and ‘straight’.

    I would urge caution when using the ‘everyone is bisexual really’ line. (This post is very helpful on the question: http://www.uncharted-worlds.org/blog/2008/12/not-everyone-is-bisexual/) While I don’t think this is the way that you’re using it here, it is often used to silence and erase bisexual experience. Those of us who specifically identify as bisexual experience distinct problems and joys – the internalised biphobia, wondering whether we’re *really* bisexual even after a series of crushes on people of any and all genders, the tedious ‘you’re confused! make your mind up!’ from straight and gay acquaintances alike – and then the relief of meeting someone who *gets* it, who doesn’t question your identity, who accepts your judgement of who you are rather than extrapolating from their own incomplete dataset of what they know and assume of you. I don’t believe that’s something that everyone experiences.

    Not everyone is bisexual; in fact, the only person whose bisexuality I can make a judgement on is my own. It’s only a small step from ‘everyone is bisexual’ to ‘no one is bisexual’.

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