• The Antisemitism Notice

    Someone asked me to share the note that we put in our service sheets in St Mary’s about antisemitism. This has evolved over the last few years but the statement below is what it looks like at the moment. We’ve also changed the pattern of readings we use at St Mary’s. In particular, we no longer read the whole of the Passion According to John on Good Friday, preferring to intersperse some passages from it with others from scripture. We are also no longer singing the Reproaches as part of the Good Friday liturgies and are still looking for an alternative text.

    Once I would have thought that these things didn’t matter. Right now I think they matter very much.

    A Note on Holy Week

    During Holy Week, there will be readings from the Passion narratives from the gospels, as has been the custom for Christians throughout the centuries. These texts need to be read carefully and thoughtfully. The term ‘the Jews’ in the Passion readings applies to particular individuals and not to the whole Jewish people.

    There is some debate amongst scholars as to how the words which have been translated as “the Jews” should now be translated. Some would translate them as “the Judeans”. Others would retain the traditional reading whilst acknowledging the harm that has been caused by the ways in which these words have been used.

    Whichever translation is used for individual words in the Passion Reading, Christians need to be aware that Holy Week has historically been a time of increased antisemitism and of antagonism and violence towards Jewish people. This is a matter of repentance for Christians.

    References in the scriptures and in the hymns and prayers to those who accused Christ or killed Christ are references to historical figures. These people do not represent the Jewish people or Judaism.

    At a time of increased antisemitism in the world, some verses in the Scriptures may be better dealt with in thoughtful study and reflection rather than the drama of public liturgy.

    Members of the Christian community are invited during this week to think of the times when we have turned against Christ and to reflect on the possibility that had we been present at the time, that perhaps we would have found ourselves to be amongst those who called for him to be crucified.

10 responses to “A simple question about Civil Partnerships”

  1. Matthew Pemble Avatar
    Matthew Pemble

    things they haven’t thought about properly …

    Legalistically, albeit IANALNDIPOOT, I think the answer is “yes”. The implications? Much hot air, minimal action.

    For once, probably the only time since Joan of Arc, the French seem to have got this right (general civil society / religious split, not equal marriage, and pretty much on equal marriage. I note the binational issue. )

  2. Beth Routledge Avatar

    I don’t see anything in the motion that would prohibit a mixed-sex couple from registering a civil partnership in church, if it is that mixed-sex civil partnerships become recognised under Scots law. I think that if the SEC’s intention is to undertake the registration of Civil Partnerships exclusively for same-sex couples, that would require explicit instructions to the Committee on Canons which would require an amendment to the motion as writ.

    I don’t want this motion to be passed at all (an even casual parsing of the word civil, for heaven’s sake…), but perhaps the only thing I want less than that is for it to be passed with such an amendment. The last thing we need is to start writing new non-inclusive Canons when we’re still trying to get rid of the old ones.

  3. Rosemary Hannah Avatar
    Rosemary Hannah

    If they do introduce Civil Partnerships in church, are they happy to have heterosexual clergy in civil partnerships even as they are pressing gay clergy to stay in civil partnerships and not marry?

  4. Kelvin Avatar

    Yes – that’s precisely the question.

    1. margaret of the sea of galilee Avatar
      margaret of the sea of galilee

      Once upon a time on an island far away… we (myself and my then partner – male and Christian) made several approaches to various clergy to have a church marriage but without any civil component or documentation…but no one would do it.
      Now after 30 years with This Man we still cannot get married – religious marriages are only for couples who share a common religion and there is NO civil marriage option at all.
      Not complaining, just saying

      1. Stephen Clark Avatar

        #marriage This is a very good point
        Personally I am all for the European option of having formal/legal marriages registered by the State …independent of the Church….and then those of us who are so inclined going to Church.
        I don’t see any reason why the logical corollary should not be that if you don’t want or need legal recognition then Holy Church should just do its thing. Our former Archbishop (Ian George of Adelaide, South Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_George) did a lot of work about marriage when we (The Australian Anglican Church) were grappling with ‘remarriage’ of divorced persons and used to often note that “legal marriage” for everyone is a fairly recent phenomenon and that by and large it was about securing property and succession rights of title . Ordinary folk didn’t need this and so simply …married….
        We have lost sight of all this.
        In reality Anglican Churches could have married same-sex couples without legal sanction if we had been brave enough to have the courage of our convictions.

  5. Kirstin Freeman Avatar

    The more I think about this the more I think it could turn into a distraction from the main issue. Marriage is what the church offers and that should include same-sex marriage for laity and clergy alike.

    Civil Partnership should be a separate discussion as it is a separate and distinct choice that can be made. If the church decides, having worked out what the theological difference between the two is, to have a liturgy for the celebrating of Civil Partnerships as opposed to that of a marriage, then that needs to go through the Canonical process and have its own canon assigned to it.

    1. Beth Routledge Avatar

      My cynical side wonders if a distraction is precisely what it is supposed to be.

  6. Kelvin Avatar

    I’m still not getting an answer to my question and I asked it at our pre-synod meeting last week too. Can it really be possible that this motion has been proposed without anyone knowing the answer?

  7. Kelvin Avatar

    Would it be possible to become a bishop if one were in a religiously registered Civil Partnership?

    Is the answer different or the same if the person concerned is in an opposite sex relationship or a same-sex relationship?

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