• Sermon preached on 17 August 2025. (But should it have a content warning?)

    I wonder whether you have heard of a place called Edinburgh.

    It is a place about 50 miles away from here.

    And it is a wonderful diverse, international city…for at least three weeks a year.

    Now the East of Scotland and the West of Scotland are different one from another.

    Amongst other things, religion is different over there to over here.

    I’ve always said that if you preach the same sermon in Edinburgh and Glasgow and say something funny, in Edinburgh you have to give a warning that there’s a joke coming up by saying, “And that reminds me of a joke…” and only then do they have permission to laugh.

    In Glasgow however… [everyone knows the punchline before you get there]

    Anyways, those three weeks are upon us when Edinburgh is en fete. And yesterday I took myself over for the final service of the Festival of the Sacred Arts that has been running for the last few weeks. I’d missed everything else but there was a special service to round it off in a church not unknown to me, being conducted by a former vice provost also not unknown to me with good music and scattered flower petals and our Blessed Lady Mary much to the fore. And I’d decided it was right up my street.

    So, I looked up the details and decided to go along.

    And something hit me between the eyes when I looked up the details on the Fringe Website.

    It was a warning.

    Alongside every show in the Fringe programme they publish warnings in case you might be upset about something.

    Different shows have different warnings.

    Warning: Offensive language.

    Warning: Graphic nudity from the beginning.

    Warning: Not suitable for under 18s.

    And  Choral Evensong at the end of Festival of Sacred Music bore a clear warning next to its listing.

    I wonder if you could guess what the content warning was for Choral Evensong.

    It said, “Warning: Audience Participation”.

    Now, I think that it is really interesting and really quite funny that you have to warn people that there might be Audience Participation at a service of Choral Evensong.

    I went along and sure enough, forewarned is forearmed.  We were all indeed expected to belt out the hymns.

    How ridiculous I thought, to give such a warning on a website…

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Some through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched raging fire, escaped the edge of the sword, won strength out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

    Well, that’s a bit more than belting out a few hymns.

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Others were tortured, refusing to accept release, in order to obtain a better resurrection. Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned to death, they were sawn in two, they were killed by the sword.

    Audience participation.

    Faith has always required audience participation.

    And yes, probably does demand content warnings.

    The great paeon to faith from the Epistle to the Hebrews that we’ve been reading over a couple of weeks is one of the great rhetorical passages of scripture.

    We come, it declares, from a heritage of faith which has made demands. Which has included audience participation of the greatest and most profound kinds.

    The heritage of Christianity should carry content warnings.

    And health warnings.

    And life warnings.

    And yet that is the paradox.

    Even knowing the risks of professing faith in God publicly, people have through centuries lived out their faith through persecution and tribulation.

    For they have found within their faith something worth living and dying for.

    The next bit of Hebrews that we get next week declares that we have come to the City of the Living God.

    Let me give you a content warning.

    To approach that City and to draw close to that Living God is to risk profound change.

    The Christian faith neither promises that everything will be nice, nor that everything will be easy nor that everything in your life will be unchanged if you take it seriously.

    Just the opposite.

    Jesus is laying it on thick in the gospel today. He knew that people living out his message would cause division and not bring immediate unity.

    And he speaks realistically about how that can feel within communities and families where faith is not shared.

    What Christianity offers is change. Change for every one of us who takes it seriously. Change to the world around us. For yes, we hope to see a world transformed and transfigured and born anew.

    We believe in ethical living acknowledging our that we are creatures made in the image of a loving God. And we believe in a Saviour, who taught us to try to be so kind,  so peace-loving and so good that it would enrage a world that is hell bent on a quite different set of values and ethics. And we believe that God’s spirit inspires us to seek ever new ways of proclaiming the kingdom of justice and joy and our beloved saviour announced to the world.

    And yes, we are a people who want others to join in. For this way of living we have found is good for us and good for the world around us.

    If you are trying to put this altogether, and trying to work out what living as one of God’s friends is all about, then come and talk. And remember, we’re going to be running a Christian basics course sometime between now and Christmas where it will be possible to explore the extraordinary claims that the Christian faith makes.

    Perhaps you are trying to work out for yourself a way of living the Christian faith.

    Well, here’s a content warning for you. Audience participation isn’t optional. It is a requirement of being one of God’s beloved.

    And the kinds of things that Christians have encouraged one another in since our Lord himself walked the earth don’t change much through the centuries.

    Learning to worship together and catching a glimpse together of a God who lurks in this world longing to love us more.

    Learning to pray together and learning to pray alone.

    Learning to read scripture with all our God given gifts of intellect and holy common sense.

    Learning to be generous and to recognise that time and money are gifts we have been given that are enriched and not diminished when we in turn give them away.

    Learning to light candles in the darkness. And to see a scattered flower petal as being one square inch of this world where the whole of God’s glory shines.

    Learning to be holy. Learning to love. Learning to be still. Learning to see that the world will only make sense when tyrants and megalomaniacs are toppled over and the lowly lifted up.

    This is the way of life that Jesus invites us to participate in.

    It is not without cost and it is not simply for spectators. It is certainly not for those who never want to join in.

    And we who are Christians believe it is worth heaven and earth.

    For Jesus in his love and compassion simply says this: “Who is with me in this journey? Who will walk in my way?”

    In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    AMEN.

18 responses to “Six reasons why [some] cathedrals are doing well”

  1. John McIntosh Avatar
    John McIntosh

    A most interesting piece and your comments on music are apposite and timely. Thank you.

  2. Christine McIntosh Avatar

    I agree. With you, and with him!

  3. Bob Faser Avatar

    This is a brilliant post. While the direct context of this article is about Anglican cathedrals and parish churches in the UK, the implications are also relevant to congregations of other denominations and in other contexts.

  4. Rachel White Avatar
    Rachel White

    Inflation of church titles: rebranding a church as a minster may help to get away from the toxic c word, but does it necessarily indicate a movement towards missional work?
    What about when those currently leading a minster try to rebrand it as a cathedral (cf Southwell and Notts). Does this indicate a movement away from missional work and if so what are they aiming to move towards other than personal aggrandisement?
    Cathedrals sucking in resources and giving little back: Jesus said “Go OUT and make disciples … ” yet three if not more ordained clergy can be involved in any given cathedral service whilst their colleagues in parish ministry may well be trying to pastor at into the teens of church congregations on any one day. This does not seem to me to be a satisfactory or helpful use of scarce resources.
    Cathedrals may well be places of beauty in both visual and choral terms but Jesus himself set his focus on reaching out to the outcasts and those regarded as the unbeautiful. That is not to say that we should not aim to be the best possible but rather that we should be concerned with the bigger picture rather than concentrating a disproportionate level of resource to beautiful places.

    1. Bob Faser Avatar

      But however, Rachel, in my experience, those cathedrals, parish churches, and other congregations which are places of beauty and centres of excellence in worship are also contexts in which authentic outreach and ministry happens. Conversely, congregations in which “any old thing will do” in worship are also settings in which not much happens in outreach and ministry.

      1. Christine McIntosh Avatar

        In support of Bob’s comment, I’d like to add – at the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam – that I became involved in Christianity only because of the beauty and solemnity of worship in the tiniest cathedral in the country – a place which struggles to keep going financially and practically now, but in which, in my lifetime, every effort has been made to ensure that the music is fine, the worship sensitively and beautifully achieved and the building cherished. If I had to listen to the pathetic music and slapdash liturgy that is a feature of some parish worship, I’d have scarpered long ago.

    2. Nigel Coates Avatar
      Nigel Coates

      Rachel’ I think there is a misunderstanding here. Southwell minster made no choice to re brand itself as a Cathedral. It was made so in 1884 and has no authority to change that! In the last decade The diocese chose to be renamed as that of Southwell and Nottingham rather than Southwell and the minster remains the Cathedral church. We are entirely at ease with keeping a longstanding title of minster believing like you it underlies our calling to be outward looking and to serve our local communities as well as our wider diocese and some 80,000 visitors a year.

  5. Suzanne Bryden Avatar
    Suzanne Bryden

    Point number 4 resonates with me (as a lapsed church goer).

  6. Bruce Neswick Avatar
    Bruce Neswick

    There are many thought-provoking ideas here, but some careful editing would help the message. “There’s a lot that about … ?” Ouch.

  7. Meg Rosenfeld Avatar
    Meg Rosenfeld

    Kelvin, I wonder whether, during your visit to the West Coast, you were in California; and if so, whether you visited Grace Cathedral, San Francisco. As relatively new buildings go, I think it’s quite lovely in a very traditional manner, and the murals which portray the spread of the Gospel all the way to San Francisco are both unusual and informative. Here’s the bizarre twist: “Grace” is almost never identified, in any sort of news or interest story, as a cathedral of the Episcopal church; as a result, most non-Episcopalians are very surprised to learn of its denomination. This (to me) weird practice of deliberately omitting the E word was inaugurated by the Bishop previous to the present one, in hopes that people would come to feel that it’s everyone’s cathedral. I have no idea whether or not this has worked. I do know that my own feeling about “Grace,” based on nothing but gossip and ignorance, is that it’s a very snooty place where only the in-crowd goes to worship, and where all sorts of “innovative” (imagine sick-noises soundtrack) worship prevails on Sundays, although the Thursday evening sung Evensong–which I have often attended– is quite traditional. Being at present the entire alto section at a very small parish in the Haight-Ashbury, I haven’t got Sunday mornings free to go visiting at “Grace” or any other local church, but while I found your latest post fascinating, I can’t test the local reality against your findings. It’s made quite an impression, though, and I will probably re-read it a few times, especially the part about getting people involved, which resonates strongly with my immediate family.

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      Perhaps you should go to Grace Cathedral before making comments like this about it online, Meg.

      You can hear the sermon I preached when I was living in residence there a couple of years ago online and make your own mind up as to how innovative it sounds.

      http://www.gracecathedral.org/cathedral-life/worship/listen/detail.php?fid=145

      If I’m honest, I was surprised how traditional Grace Cathedral was.

    2. Christine McIntosh Avatar

      I loved my one visit to Grace Cathedral 8 years ago – we were warmly welcomed on the Saturday when we walked up the hill to rubberneck, and enjoyed every aspect of the Eucharist on the Sunday. The ‘welcomer’ was amazed that I recognised the Samuel Seabury panel on the mural.

      1. Meg Rosenfeld Avatar
        Meg Rosenfeld

        I’m glad you had such a good experience at Grace Cathedral! The murals have always fascinated me because, so the legend goes, the models were members of the parish staff and congregation. What fun it would be to have provided the face for an Anglo-Saxon queen, or a Spanish conquistador! I would guess that having someone come in and identify Samuel Seabury is a very rare treat.

        1. Christine McIntosh Avatar

          All the pisky churches in Scotland I’ve been involved with have that very picture somewhere about them. In ours, it hung on the wall just inside the door for many years. Can’t think if it’s still there …

          1. PamB Avatar
            PamB

            I had the same experience in Grace Cathedral some years ago. When the tour guide heard I was from the very congregation where Seabury was consecrated I got a round of applause from the group, and was treated like royalty. I did not manage a service, as I was just on a stopover, but the beauty of the place was breathtaking, and I expect the standard of liturgy and music was just as high.

  8. Meg Rosenfeld Avatar
    Meg Rosenfeld

    You’re absolutely right, of course. Some day I shall go to a regular Sunday Mass. I quite enjoyed your sermon, and as I’ve never had to cense the altar, can only say that that is the one thing which all new members of the altar party here at All Saints fear the most–and I can certainly see why! You certainly know how to use a good dramatic pause! Did the lid fall off, or did the wee sparks jump out through the little ventilation holes?

    Another interesting “take” on the rich young man is that, unlike some of the other rich people in the Bible, he seems to have been obsessed with his belongings and the concomitant responsibilities, and getting rid of them could have freed him.

    It’s very interesting that so many people from other Protestant denominations, especially the more evangelical, have been drawn to the Episcopal Church because of its liturgy, pageantry–as you aptly put it, its beauty. Thank God that they have, bringing with them their enthusiasm and energy, because there seems to been a great exodus of cradle Episcopalians. I always wonder where they went.

    1. PamB Avatar
      PamB

      Not sure about you use of the word “pageantry”, Meg. Suggests an element of triumphalism and showing off that is not, despite our joking about it, actually there. Ceremonial is rooted in symbolism, and the best stays close to that remit.

      1. Meg Rosenfeld Avatar
        Meg Rosenfeld

        “Pageantry” doesn’t have that connotation to me; I’m a theatre person and to me, performance is sacred. There’s no fakery involved, at least in my mind. No intention of being offensive.

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