• Sermon preached on 17 August 2025. (But should it have a content warning?)

    I wonder whether you have heard of a place called Edinburgh.

    It is a place about 50 miles away from here.

    And it is a wonderful diverse, international city…for at least three weeks a year.

    Now the East of Scotland and the West of Scotland are different one from another.

    Amongst other things, religion is different over there to over here.

    I’ve always said that if you preach the same sermon in Edinburgh and Glasgow and say something funny, in Edinburgh you have to give a warning that there’s a joke coming up by saying, “And that reminds me of a joke…” and only then do they have permission to laugh.

    In Glasgow however… [everyone knows the punchline before you get there]

    Anyways, those three weeks are upon us when Edinburgh is en fete. And yesterday I took myself over for the final service of the Festival of the Sacred Arts that has been running for the last few weeks. I’d missed everything else but there was a special service to round it off in a church not unknown to me, being conducted by a former vice provost also not unknown to me with good music and scattered flower petals and our Blessed Lady Mary much to the fore. And I’d decided it was right up my street.

    So, I looked up the details and decided to go along.

    And something hit me between the eyes when I looked up the details on the Fringe Website.

    It was a warning.

    Alongside every show in the Fringe programme they publish warnings in case you might be upset about something.

    Different shows have different warnings.

    Warning: Offensive language.

    Warning: Graphic nudity from the beginning.

    Warning: Not suitable for under 18s.

    And  Choral Evensong at the end of Festival of Sacred Music bore a clear warning next to its listing.

    I wonder if you could guess what the content warning was for Choral Evensong.

    It said, “Warning: Audience Participation”.

    Now, I think that it is really interesting and really quite funny that you have to warn people that there might be Audience Participation at a service of Choral Evensong.

    I went along and sure enough, forewarned is forearmed.  We were all indeed expected to belt out the hymns.

    How ridiculous I thought, to give such a warning on a website…

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Some through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched raging fire, escaped the edge of the sword, won strength out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

    Well, that’s a bit more than belting out a few hymns.

    Warning: Audience Participation.

    Others were tortured, refusing to accept release, in order to obtain a better resurrection. Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned to death, they were sawn in two, they were killed by the sword.

    Audience participation.

    Faith has always required audience participation.

    And yes, probably does demand content warnings.

    The great paeon to faith from the Epistle to the Hebrews that we’ve been reading over a couple of weeks is one of the great rhetorical passages of scripture.

    We come, it declares, from a heritage of faith which has made demands. Which has included audience participation of the greatest and most profound kinds.

    The heritage of Christianity should carry content warnings.

    And health warnings.

    And life warnings.

    And yet that is the paradox.

    Even knowing the risks of professing faith in God publicly, people have through centuries lived out their faith through persecution and tribulation.

    For they have found within their faith something worth living and dying for.

    The next bit of Hebrews that we get next week declares that we have come to the City of the Living God.

    Let me give you a content warning.

    To approach that City and to draw close to that Living God is to risk profound change.

    The Christian faith neither promises that everything will be nice, nor that everything will be easy nor that everything in your life will be unchanged if you take it seriously.

    Just the opposite.

    Jesus is laying it on thick in the gospel today. He knew that people living out his message would cause division and not bring immediate unity.

    And he speaks realistically about how that can feel within communities and families where faith is not shared.

    What Christianity offers is change. Change for every one of us who takes it seriously. Change to the world around us. For yes, we hope to see a world transformed and transfigured and born anew.

    We believe in ethical living acknowledging our that we are creatures made in the image of a loving God. And we believe in a Saviour, who taught us to try to be so kind,  so peace-loving and so good that it would enrage a world that is hell bent on a quite different set of values and ethics. And we believe that God’s spirit inspires us to seek ever new ways of proclaiming the kingdom of justice and joy and our beloved saviour announced to the world.

    And yes, we are a people who want others to join in. For this way of living we have found is good for us and good for the world around us.

    If you are trying to put this altogether, and trying to work out what living as one of God’s friends is all about, then come and talk. And remember, we’re going to be running a Christian basics course sometime between now and Christmas where it will be possible to explore the extraordinary claims that the Christian faith makes.

    Perhaps you are trying to work out for yourself a way of living the Christian faith.

    Well, here’s a content warning for you. Audience participation isn’t optional. It is a requirement of being one of God’s beloved.

    And the kinds of things that Christians have encouraged one another in since our Lord himself walked the earth don’t change much through the centuries.

    Learning to worship together and catching a glimpse together of a God who lurks in this world longing to love us more.

    Learning to pray together and learning to pray alone.

    Learning to read scripture with all our God given gifts of intellect and holy common sense.

    Learning to be generous and to recognise that time and money are gifts we have been given that are enriched and not diminished when we in turn give them away.

    Learning to light candles in the darkness. And to see a scattered flower petal as being one square inch of this world where the whole of God’s glory shines.

    Learning to be holy. Learning to love. Learning to be still. Learning to see that the world will only make sense when tyrants and megalomaniacs are toppled over and the lowly lifted up.

    This is the way of life that Jesus invites us to participate in.

    It is not without cost and it is not simply for spectators. It is certainly not for those who never want to join in.

    And we who are Christians believe it is worth heaven and earth.

    For Jesus in his love and compassion simply says this: “Who is with me in this journey? Who will walk in my way?”

    In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    AMEN.

62 responses to “You condemn it, Archbishop”

  1. Rosemary Hannah Avatar
    Rosemary Hannah

    I think the point could be made like this. We know that the Taliban dislike women and girls getting education. One of the reasons they say it scares them is the way some women behave in the West. They blame behaviours they do not like, promiscuity, public drunkenness, on women being educated.

    I don’t agree. I do not think an education encourages one to be legless on a Friday night. But the fact is, that is how the Taliban see it, and they harm young women going to school. In fact, among others, they shot Malala Yousafzai.

    Do you think that young women in our country should refrain from getting an education, so that the Taliban can see there is no link between Western excesses, and women being educated?

    And if you do not think this, somebody tell me what the difference is?

  2. Jimmy Avatar

    I’ve just listened to the radio phone in.
    And I think what he said was an honest opinion that what the church in England does can have an effect on Christians around the world.
    It is one of the reasons in his -no- box, but it is not a tenable reason.

  3. Fr Steve Avatar

    Well said Kelvin.
    As for Peter Ould’s latter comment
    “When you write stuff like this, all you’re arguing is that you don’t want to listen to other people’s experiences and stories.”
    (please note that I am using quotation marks…and making this observation in parentheses!)
    Then I think we have all seen who does and does not listen to ‘other people’s experiences and stories’. And it is not the Very Rev’d Dean of Glasgow!

  4. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    Well said, Fr Steve. Following on the theme of not listening to others, JCF is absolutely right, of course.
    It’s the absence of reason which leads to the not truly listening part of a discussion, however long the debate lasts. I sent a message over on Twitter yesterday to Mr O. asking him what he thought God thinks of bishops who wear mitres in church, covering the same point made by JCF. Still no reply.

  5. Kelvin Holdsworth Avatar

    Many thanks to all those commenting above.

    No further comments about the nature of homosexuality and no further comments about the nature of Peter Ould, please. There are other, better places online for that.

    And please, no further comments where one single bible verse is thrown about without context as though it proves a point. That applies to those lobbing them in any direction.

    The topic is, what the Archbishop said on LBC and what the implications of that conversation are.

  6. Erika Baker Avatar
    Erika Baker

    If we’re talking about potential links I would also like to point out another possibility.
    Lgbt people in Africa have told us that their churches have used the Archbishop’s stance in support for their own. “Look, even the Archbishop in a much more liberal church is not treating gay people as equals. He knows they’re morally inferior”.

    Changing Attitude in Nigeria have begged the CoE for years to speak out clearly against homophobia and violence. They have been met with a deafening silence.

    If my Nigerian friends are to be believed the terrible laws might not have been implemented if the CoE had been much firmer in condemning anti gay violence and legislation years and years ago, if it hadn’t tried to appease Archbishop Akinola by refusing to invite Gene Robinson to Lambeth etc. Instead, they have given him an air of respectability which he should never have had and which he used very cleverly at home to lay the foundations for the current situation.
    Now it’s too late to do anything about it.

    There is a very genuine possibility that appeasing violent behaviour will only ever result in more violence.

  7. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    Absolutely, Erica. That’s what I was referring to earlier, about history having a tendency to repeats its errors. It will, however, be difficult to assess the extent of the negative impact of Justin Welby’s comments both here and abroad.

    On the issue of ABC’s comments, in case you haven’t seen this, here is a link to a California bishop in which he draws out some of the negativity and errors of ABC’s comments as he sees parallels between colonialism in USA and UK.

    http://t.co/FXUPB0CuX8

  8. Bernhard Avatar
    Bernhard

    You are very generous with other people’s lives.

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      I stand against murder and violence. I stand against murder and violence meted our in places of conflict in Africa, in places where kids get killed for being gay, in places where people are killed for their faith. I encourage my congregation to pray for peace and work to eliminate violence.

      I also know what it is like to enter a church next to someone against whom recent credible death threats have been made.

      I value life very highly.

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