9 responses to “The Marriage Business”

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   Rhea

   11/12/2012

   I thought that what the government actually said was more of a “obviously with the current canon laws in place, the C of E and the Church in Wales won’t be able to opt in to marriage equality because their canon laws clearly state that marriage is between one man and one woman.”

   To me the ultimate issue is with the churches and their canon laws that need to be changed, no?

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      Rhea

      11/12/2012

      I just saw this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20680924

      What in the world is the government thinking?!

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         kelvin

         11/12/2012

         Here’s the original announcement – quite clear that it isn’t just about Canon Law. They really are trying to make it illegal for the C of E and Church in Wales to opt in.

         http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/9585.aspx

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         Beth

         11/12/2012

         The irony that that Department of Culture page is titled “Marriage For Everyone” absolutely knocks me down.

         I think that this more than anything else that has happened in equal marriage legislation this year has a real chance of being ruled illegal under Article 9 of the Human Rights Convention.

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   Peter Higson

   12/12/2012

   Church of England clergy, and Church in Wales clergy, may take note of Giles Fraser’s suggestion: “So it will now be illegal for me to marry two people who live (with) each other. Now there is a cause worth going to prison for.” as report in the Independent.

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      kelvin

      12/12/2012

      Yes – I saw that tweet from Giles. Whilst supporting the sentiment, I suspect that he is going to have to work quite hard to find a judge willing to send him to prison for it.

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   Martin Reynolds

   12/12/2012

   Yes, bizarre is the right word!

   When the Church in Wales was disestablished back in 1920 it retained its priveledges and responsibilities with regard to marriage.

   So, parishioners’ absolute legal right to be married in the parish church remains, as does the automatic right of Church in Wales clergy to be able to conduct marriages by virtue of their ordination alone.

   We recently amended our requirements for residence to stay in line with the CofE, while they were able to do it through General Synod we had to resort to a Private Bill.

   It now seems there are to be no EXTRA hurdles required by these two Churches, other than the separate Acts of Parliament they would need to change their current practice following agreement of General Synod or Governing Body.

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   Ali

   13/12/2012

   “if your denomination cannot or will not opt in then the time has come for you to stand up for what’s right. If you support equality, do something about it and show us what you are made of.” you not doing any more weddings until the SEC opts in then. Kelvin?

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      kelvin

      13/12/2012

      I think it quite likely that should the Scottish Episcopal Church chose not to opt into the coming legislation then I would come to be view that the time had come to stop signing marriage papers. That is not the same thing, of course, as stopping doing weddings.

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