• Christians and Jews in Holy Week

    Over the last few years I’ve become much more aware of the things in the life of the Christian church which cause trouble for other people. Specifically, I took part in an interesting symposium a couple of years ago on how Christian preaching relates to Judaism. I learned a lot by listening to people there – a mixed group of Christian and Jewish folk.

    I was particularly struck by the assertion that liberal Christians in particular sometimes preach sermons which might be considered to be anti-Semitic. It was entirely fascinating hearing one’s tradition spoken of by those outside of it. At first I was puzzled but the more I heard, the more I realised that there was something that needed to be taken note of. Some of the claims that sometimes get made about Jesus coming to “set people free” from the law, for example. As though people were not living liberated lives within Judaism for centuries before Jesus and for the centuries since. Also sermons which seem to imply that there’s one Jewish opinion that is trounced by the sudden appearance of Jesus. As if, several people said to me, as if there’s ever only one Jewish opinion. Going to this symposium made me much more aware of supersessionism than I had ever been before. (Supersessionism is a belief that Christianity is the fulfilment of Biblical Judaism, and therefore that Jews who deny that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah fall short of their calling as God’s Chosen people). It made me very wary of Christians passing themselves off as the new chosen people using things like “Christian Seder” rituals which quite often get used at this time of year. My own view is that there’s a bit of a problem with non Jews taking the Seder and doing what they want with it to make it represent something that might well be misunderstood or be offensive to those for whom it is a treasure and a joy. (I’d leap at the chance to go to an actual Seder if I was invited though…).

    It all made me listen more carefully to my own preaching and that of others.

    I also learned more than I previously knew about Holy Week being a time when violence has often been meted out to Jewish people in the name of Christianity by ignorant thugs.

    And recently, I’ve been hearing of the Jewish communities in Scotland expressing fears for their own safety.

    All of this is just by way of suggesting that this is a good week to be aware, to become more aware and to take care with words.

    I learned astonishingly little about modern Judaism when I was a student. I’ve learned more since, but there’s still a lot to learn.

    Recognising that the Jewish communities in Scotland don’t currently feel as secure as they should do, the retiring collection on Good Friday afternoon at St Mary’s will go to support the work of the West of Scotland Branch of the Council of Christians and Jews.

7 responses to “The Archbishop, the gays and their sins”

  1. fakepete Avatar
    fakepete

    Nicely put, he seems to feel entitled to freedom from criticism. It’s a censorious attitude that I thought the CoE put behind it when most of us learned to laugh at the Life of Brian and it is contradicted by the church’s own call to participation in democracy.

  2. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew

    The poor old Arch. He really is an old school establishment man who cant really understand where the deference has gone. The Green Report, the other Reports on the ‘future’ of the Church of England and the ‘Conversations’ all speak of a deeply controlling man who is deeply frustrated that there is no control to be had any more. When the split comes he will probably want to make what is left into a more confessional and defined group (the evangelicals have always wanted that) but I suspect the Church that will emerge will be more liberal than he likes even if it is outwardly more evangelical and enthusiast than the Church of England has been for a very long time

    1. fakepete Avatar
      fakepete

      @Andrew I’d switch that around. Justin Welby is someone who does not show deference to what has in Western society become The New Orthodoxy (definitions on a postcard please), this is why he provokes such puzzlement, and thus consternation and anger.

    2. Daniel Berry, NYC Avatar
      Daniel Berry, NYC

      Andrew, I don’t see how that can be, really: he hasn’t the pedigree to be “an old school establishment man.” He’s a late vocation who had been a high-power figure in the corporate world–meaning he’s undoubtedly accustomed to having the last word.

      As to his attitudes toward gay people, I’m disgusted with him and the many others who accept the natural sciences’ contradiction of bible, but just can’t bring themselves to the same place with the behavioral and social sciences, and even with medicine itself–ignoring along the way that homosexuality is found in upward of 450 animal species besides our own. Otherwise they seem perfectly comfortable with dispensing with the savagery found in much of “holy scripture.”

  3. Dharma Nicodemus Cuthbert Avatar

    I love the line “who am I to judge them for their sins, if they have sins” makes us seem angelic compared to those who have children. Only one problem we, according to the bible commit sin just by being together. Does this mean that he is disagreeing with orthodoxy, and we are not sinning by being together.
    God bless all and may his words of love bring more, troubled, souls to him.

    1. JCF Avatar
      JCF

      “Only one problem we, according to the bible commit sin just by being together.”

      I *think* you meant “according to false translations/interpretations of the bible…” (or should have meant).

      “Being together”: can we call sex, “sex”? If not, why not? [And can we call marital sex (same- or opposite-sex) “marital sex”?]

  4. Daniel Berry, NYC Avatar
    Daniel Berry, NYC

    best line for me:

    You say that stuff and you are going to get people observing that there’s a lot more archbishops who claim that gay people are their friends than gay people who claim archbishops are their friends.

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