• Prayers for Remembrance

    Ruined Church

    Last Sunday evening we had an extraordinary Choral Evensong. The idea was simple – to mark the start of the First World War by singing some of the music that the cathedral choir was singing 100 years ago. The idea came from Pam Barrowman, one of the members of the choir whose historical research includes work on what the choir here used to sing. In the event, Sunday evening’s service was one of the most powerful remembrance events that I’ve ever been part of.

    When that war was declared the congregation here responded on the next Sunday by singing four verses of the national anthem and the organist played the Elgar march which features Land of Hope and Glory. There clearly was a something of a gung-ho spirit around. That was in the August. By November, the news was arriving back in the cathedral and its daughter churches of lives already lost. There was, or course, no memorial to put their names on. There was just the news and the dawning realisation that it would not all be over by Christmas. The mood had changed by now and they were singing movements from Brahms’s Requiem (yes, German music, just as we used music by a German composer to end our two minutes silence yesterday morning) and the Russian Kontakion of the Departed.

    Somehow the shadows drew close. I’m not sure whether I wanted to reach back through time to comfort those who were listening to the same music one hundred years ago or whether I wanted them to do the same to us. Anyway, prayer came easily. And compassion. And love.

    Several people commented on my prayers. I don’t have a copy as I tend not to write them in advance and pray extemporaneously at Evensong. (Something I always teach people not to do when I’m doing workshops on how to do intercessions).

    However, here’s the gist of what I said:

    The stone walls of this church surrounded those who went off to war.
    Hear us, O Lord, as we remember those who gathered here in in this place to sing and to pray before going off to war.
    Help us to remember their sense of hope and adventure and the joy of human companionship.
    We remember those who showed courage in leaving for war and also those who showed their own courage in refusing to fight.
    Those who went to war went believing they were putting the world to rights.
    Help us to try to do the same.
    Lord in your mercy. Hear our prayer.

    The stone walls of this church surrounded those who remained at home.
    Hear us, O Lord, as we remember those who remained home, so many women waiting for news of their men, so many children waiting for news of their fathers.
    As we remember them we remember those who went on waiting throughout all their lives.
    Help us to pray for those who today wait for news of those whom they love who have gone to war.
    Lord in your mercy, Hear our prayer.

    The stone walls of this church have surrounded those who in this place have tried to bring peace.
    They have surrounded those who have left this place to go on demonstrations.
    They have surrounded those who have debated.
    They have surrounded conversations and discussions and hopes and dreams.
    Hear us as we pray for those who have decisions, important decisions to make which affect the lives of others.
    Lord in your mercy, Hear our prayer.

    And now the stone walls of this church surround us.
    What will we make of the world that we have inherited? How will we live in the world of today?
    Help us O Lord to seek out peace and build a world of justice.
    Teach us what to do and how to live.
    Lord in your mercy, Hear our prayer.

    And here in this place, surrounded by these same stone walls, I hold in my hand a bible.
    It was carried by a soldier in World War Taken from place to place and returning to this country when he returned at the close of the war.
    And inside its tattered cover is a prayer that we may each make our own prayer
    this night.
    Almighty and Everlasting God,
    by whose Grace Thy servants
    are enabled to fight the good fight of faith
    and ever prove victorious:
    We humbly beseech Thee so to inspire us,
    that we may yield our hearts to thine obedience
    and, exercise our wills on Thy behalf.
    Help us to think wisely:
    to speak rightly:
    to resolve bravely:
    to act kindly:
    to live purely.
    Bless us in body and in soul,
    and make us a blessing to our comrades.
    Whether , at home or abroad
    may we ever seek the extension of Thy Kingdom.
    Let the assurance of Thy presence
    save us from sinning:
    support us in life,
    and comfort us in death.
    0 Lord our God accept this prayer
    for Jesus Christ’s sake. Amen.

    [Picture Credit – Ruined church at Vie Chapelle, France Great War Primary Document Archive: Photos of the Great War – www.gwpda.org/photos]

7 responses to “Revised Commenting Policy”

  1. Darren Moore Avatar
    Darren Moore

    I try to stick to the policy, whilst commenting on it.

    Most of it pretty understandable/standard. But,
    1.using Scripture as a weapon/quoting isolated verses. To a point I agree, but surely as well as the whole has to be understood as part of the whole, the whole is made us by parts. People misuse the Bible by taking a verse out of context, but they can easily be shown up. Otherwise we can’t use the Bible at all, other than saying – read all of it – there’s something that relates to what I’m saying.

    2. How does the disclaimer square with not being able to comment on PSA? Is that a given (i.e. that it’s nonsense)? Are other opinions banned? Like Roman Catholic views. Even if (highly unlikely) it’s a minority view, are other historically minority views banned (charismatics, baptists) and non-Christians and all liberals – as there views are pretty minority.

    3. Likening gay people to murderers. Unpleasant I agree. Although if (if I may quote a verse – but not to prove a point), this a reference to the 2nd 1/2 of Romans 1, the list includes people who disobey parents and the greedy. Presumably they’re still fair game?

    Just not sure this quite stacks. It’s why people ask, “What are you afraid of?” when it comes to PSA?

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      Darren – thank you for your interest. However. the question is not whether you think this commenting policy quite stacks but whether I do.

  2. John Sandeman Avatar
    John Sandeman

    Kelvin,
    When reading about theories of the atonement, there is a real risk of continually reading things that have been said many times over – as you point out. But can I credit you with something reasonably original? “We’ve already established that like most Christian people I don’t believe in it.” I have never worked out how to determine the proportions of Christians who believe the various atonement theories. Is there some research out there?

    1. Kelvin Avatar

      Thanks John – I’m not aware of any research though I’d be interested in any there was. When I wrote that, I was thinking not simply of who believes what now but also of Christians through time. The history of these various ways of understanding the (or an) atonement is fairly well attested and it is clear that some have risen and fallen through time.

      My presumption is that most of the people in the great blocks of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches (both now and through history) don’t believe in penal substitution – or at least, don’t believe it in the same way that a classical evangelical might believe in it as doctrine which must be personally accepted in order to lead to individual salvation. However, as you rightly point out, who believes what may not be so simple.

  3. Darren Moore Avatar
    Darren Moore

    There are a few bits of research on this, but mostly from the context of PSA
    E.g. Chapter 5 of “Pierced for our Transgressions”, by Jeffery, Ovey & Sach (IVP), which is a quite survey of theologians, east & west, a dozen of which are pre-reformation, starting with Justin Martyr.

    Henri Blocher, “Biblical Metaphors of the atonement”, in the journal of the evangelical theological society, 47 (2004), pp629-645
    “The divine substitution: The atonement in the Bible and history” by Shaw & Edwards (Day One).

    I get the your blog, your rules. Just doesn’t sound like decent is welcome.

    1. Darren Moore Avatar
      Darren Moore

      Bit of a PS,
      Robert Letham’s, “Through Western eyes”
      Looks at the differences & common ground with E-orthodoxy on lots of things, including salvation. Letham (Reformed), thinks there’s lots to get from the East re:-Trinity in worship, incarnational stuff, divination (rightly understood), but still holds that his “Reformed”

    2. Kelvin Avatar

      Well, Darren, I’ve found that there are quite a number of people who do want to meet and chat without the Atonement Thought Police stepping in to correct them all the time. In fact, though I expect you’ll be surprised to hear it, to those who don’t believe that particular doctrine, comments rather like your own can appear to be quite aggressive and verging on bullying.

      So, you may not feel welcome to behave exactly as you like here. You are not. And there’s a comminity of folk who like it that way.

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